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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/05/18/appreciate-your-front-end-specialists/#comment-1744</link>
		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 11:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SEO Gal, ha ha. I think SEO is another of those unsung areas of front end goodness too. How often do we meet people who go SEO? Particularly when it comes to backend programmers thinking how to get functionality not necessarily how to effectively code the site or get it properly indexed so there is ROI. God forbid.

A big group hug for SEO people too today. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SEO Gal, ha ha. I think SEO is another of those unsung areas of front end goodness too. How often do we meet people who go SEO? Particularly when it comes to backend programmers thinking how to get functionality not necessarily how to effectively code the site or get it properly indexed so there is ROI. God forbid.</p>
<p>A big group hug for SEO people too today. <img src='http://stevenclark.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/05/18/appreciate-your-front-end-specialists/#comment-1743</link>
		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 10:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should have a day and wear special t-shirts (and beat the shit out of anyone who disagrees with us or won't wear the t-shirts or won't pay up)... yeah !!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should have a day and wear special t-shirts (and beat the shit out of anyone who disagrees with us or won&#8217;t wear the t-shirts or won&#8217;t pay up)&#8230; yeah !!! <img src='http://stevenclark.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/05/18/appreciate-your-front-end-specialists/#comment-1742</link>
		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 10:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too true Roberto. And back end programmers who take the time to actually produce decent quality markup are worth their weight in gold, we should add.

Still, I'm seeing a bit nowdays that unless someone has that skillset as a PHP programmer, at least, they're finding it difficult to get work. Nobody with a decent application to build wants it just trashed with break tags, invalid junk and unmaintainable practices. So there's hope at least.

I think its about caring, too. Some of what attracts a certain type to programming is perhaps feel distanced from the "real site" or "real application interface". They like for loops, abstractions and cunningly thought out algorithmic finesse. Although that may be an unfair generalisation.

I guess I sit somewhere in the mishmash of generalist with specialised interest areas... I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too true Roberto. And back end programmers who take the time to actually produce decent quality markup are worth their weight in gold, we should add.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m seeing a bit nowdays that unless someone has that skillset as a PHP programmer, at least, they&#8217;re finding it difficult to get work. Nobody with a decent application to build wants it just trashed with break tags, invalid junk and unmaintainable practices. So there&#8217;s hope at least.</p>
<p>I think its about caring, too. Some of what attracts a certain type to programming is perhaps feel distanced from the &#8220;real site&#8221; or &#8220;real application interface&#8221;. They like for loops, abstractions and cunningly thought out algorithmic finesse. Although that may be an unfair generalisation.</p>
<p>I guess I sit somewhere in the mishmash of generalist with specialised interest areas&#8230; I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/05/18/appreciate-your-front-end-specialists/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 06:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thing then that I have experience both on the front and back end, erm... I hope that is not misinterpreted.

Anyway, I love it when my php integrates almost seamlessly with the front end thanks to well thought out and semantic html/css. I think both sides lose out when they don't know or care to know enough about the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thing then that I have experience both on the front and back end, erm&#8230; I hope that is not misinterpreted.</p>
<p>Anyway, I love it when my php integrates almost seamlessly with the front end thanks to well thought out and semantic html/css. I think both sides lose out when they don&#8217;t know or care to know enough about the other.</p>
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		<title>By: SEO Gal in Toronto</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/05/18/appreciate-your-front-end-specialists/#comment-1736</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO Gal in Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 04:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"What about appreciating the good old (X)HTML and CSS people that glue it all together?" - Those geeks just don't get any of the good new buzzwords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What about appreciating the good old (X)HTML and CSS people that glue it all together?&#8221; - Those geeks just don&#8217;t get any of the good new buzzwords.</p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/05/18/appreciate-your-front-end-specialists/#comment-1735</link>
		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easily the truest thing about web design / development today. Quite often the (X)HTML is provided by the PHP / ASP developers who are busy thinking in for loops and functions. Different task environment so "user experience", "quality of code" and "accessibility" aren't on their radar.

God help 'em we need the blighters to make us look good with functionality, don't get me wrong. But nearly every instance where the subject comes to the table there's almost a mocking of HTML / CSS.

Everyone says, yeh we know how to write HTML and CSS. That's easy. Anyone can chump that together. "We" write backend mysterious magic... ha ha.

So, anyone reading this, big hug day for us under appreciated tree hugging standardistas ay... :)

We are the ones who want something that does a little more than "just work". Mmm quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easily the truest thing about web design / development today. Quite often the (X)HTML is provided by the PHP / ASP developers who are busy thinking in for loops and functions. Different task environment so &#8220;user experience&#8221;, &#8220;quality of code&#8221; and &#8220;accessibility&#8221; aren&#8217;t on their radar.</p>
<p>God help &#8216;em we need the blighters to make us look good with functionality, don&#8217;t get me wrong. But nearly every instance where the subject comes to the table there&#8217;s almost a mocking of HTML / CSS.</p>
<p>Everyone says, yeh we know how to write HTML and CSS. That&#8217;s easy. Anyone can chump that together. &#8220;We&#8221; write backend mysterious magic&#8230; ha ha.</p>
<p>So, anyone reading this, big hug day for us under appreciated tree hugging standardistas ay&#8230; <img src='http://stevenclark.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We are the ones who want something that does a little more than &#8220;just work&#8221;. Mmm quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Robin</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/05/18/appreciate-your-front-end-specialists/#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 14:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easily the nicest thing I've read so far today - nice one! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easily the nicest thing I&#8217;ve read so far today - nice one! <img src='http://stevenclark.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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