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	<title>Comments on: IE8 - Why Not Strict Instead of Meta?</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/02/26/ie8-why-not-strict-instead-of-meta/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt, how's things? It will be interesting to see if we can get anyone to listen over the background noise about meta... the waves are so loud its hard to hear the seagulls. :)

By adopting a strict doctype we've really been opting in all along in a sense. And if the site breaks in a new version just throw in a transitional doctype until fixed.

The creepiest thing about the whole affair isn't the meta option though, its the Microsoft trust option. I really don't trust microsoft's business arm not to turn around in 4 years time saying that's not viable and with new managers in web dev head straight back to proprietary bad old days... it will take some time to earn that trust among web developers I expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt, how&#8217;s things? It will be interesting to see if we can get anyone to listen over the background noise about meta&#8230; the waves are so loud its hard to hear the seagulls. <img src='http://stevenclark.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>By adopting a strict doctype we&#8217;ve really been opting in all along in a sense. And if the site breaks in a new version just throw in a transitional doctype until fixed.</p>
<p>The creepiest thing about the whole affair isn&#8217;t the meta option though, its the Microsoft trust option. I really don&#8217;t trust microsoft&#8217;s business arm not to turn around in 4 years time saying that&#8217;s not viable and with new managers in web dev head straight back to proprietary bad old days&#8230; it will take some time to earn that trust among web developers I expect.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Robin</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/02/26/ie8-why-not-strict-instead-of-meta/#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this would get my vote - this far more elegant solution than 'Opt-in'...(shouldn't we all be aiming for 'strict' anyway right?!)  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this would get my vote - this far more elegant solution than &#8216;Opt-in&#8217;&#8230;(shouldn&#8217;t we all be aiming for &#8217;strict&#8217; anyway right?!)  <img src='http://stevenclark.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/02/26/ie8-why-not-strict-instead-of-meta/#comment-762</link>
		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that oversight Aaron, I actually changed a line at the last minute from

"But right at the end the Aaron asked..."

into the WasP guys.

"But right at the end the WaSP guys asked.."

Your article &lt;a href="http://www.easy-reader.net/archives/2008/02/25/automatically-opting-in-to-ie8s-standards-mode/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Automatically Opting  in to IE8s Standards Mode&lt;/a&gt; offers a great concise view of the proposal so I'll link to it from the comments...

I've had the sneaking question all along about why not still use the doctype switch but it never really got past that nagging thought at the back of my head. Like all things brilliant it's a slap on the forehead and asking why didn't I think of that... of course.

So my apologies again for missing you off the attribution Aaron, it was entirely unintentional. I must have read your question towards the end about five or six times to fully absorb it.

Or the short answer is Oops! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that oversight Aaron, I actually changed a line at the last minute from</p>
<p>&#8220;But right at the end the Aaron asked&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>into the WasP guys.</p>
<p>&#8220;But right at the end the WaSP guys asked..&#8221;</p>
<p>Your article <a href="http://www.easy-reader.net/archives/2008/02/25/automatically-opting-in-to-ie8s-standards-mode/" rel="nofollow">Automatically Opting  in to IE8s Standards Mode</a> offers a great concise view of the proposal so I&#8217;ll link to it from the comments&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had the sneaking question all along about why not still use the doctype switch but it never really got past that nagging thought at the back of my head. Like all things brilliant it&#8217;s a slap on the forehead and asking why didn&#8217;t I think of that&#8230; of course.</p>
<p>So my apologies again for missing you off the attribution Aaron, it was entirely unintentional. I must have read your question towards the end about five or six times to fully absorb it.</p>
<p>Or the short answer is Oops! <img src='http://stevenclark.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gustafson</title>
		<link>http://stevenclark.com.au/2008/02/26/ie8-why-not-strict-instead-of-meta/#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Gustafson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I was on that call too ;-)

I, too, think that the Strict DOCTYPE is a great alternative if the numbers support it (in fact, I just wrote a post on it as well). Similarly, I'm also interested in exploring the possibility that an XHTML mime-type could trigger standards mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I was on that call too <img src='http://stevenclark.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I, too, think that the Strict DOCTYPE is a great alternative if the numbers support it (in fact, I just wrote a post on it as well). Similarly, I&#8217;m also interested in exploring the possibility that an XHTML mime-type could trigger standards mode.</p>
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