Comments on: The Solution is a HTML 5 Apathetic Doctype http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:09:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Steven Clark http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/comment-page-1/#comment-58 Steven Clark Sun, 09 Sep 2007 04:46:21 +0000 http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/#comment-58 Thanks - its only a smallish mid semester exam... :) Its apparent that accessibility to a number of the people in this conversation isn't an issue in the first place. I still vote for the bullshit tag - or would that be a bullshit attribute for blockquote? Cheers mate :) Thanks - its only a smallish mid semester exam… :)

Its apparent that accessibility to a number of the people in this conversation isn’t an issue in the first place. I still vote for the bullshit tag - or would that be a bullshit attribute for blockquote?

Cheers mate :)

]]> By: Matt Robin http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/comment-page-1/#comment-57 Matt Robin Sun, 09 Sep 2007 03:20:45 +0000 http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/#comment-57 Good luck with the exams mate! (I won't tell anyone about the slides! hehe) Cheers for the link - I'll take a look. I get what you mean about the '..long term stab at tomorrow with today’s world view' - so true!! Good luck with the exams mate! (I won’t tell anyone about the slides! hehe)

Cheers for the link - I’ll take a look. I get what you mean about the ‘..long term stab at tomorrow with today’s world view’ - so true!!

]]> By: steven http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/comment-page-1/#comment-56 steven Sun, 09 Sep 2007 00:54:44 +0000 http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/#comment-56 sorry here's the link to the wired article http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2005/06/68004 sorry here’s the link to the wired article

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2005/06/68004

]]> By: steven http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/comment-page-1/#comment-55 steven Sun, 09 Sep 2007 00:53:18 +0000 http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/#comment-55 Hi Matt We could even drop the Apathetic part - it may offend some companies - and call it the HTML 5 Transgressional Doctype for developers who want to transgress the ideas of standards entirely BUT still want to validate and a tick of approval. I can see another major part of this is increasing market share - more people with valid pages. Its kind of frustrating. The only real consolation is that I would be highly surprised if, in the time frame they expect HTML 5 to be in full swing, we were still using the original technologies in place today. HTML may be irrelevant by then - people invent other stuff. So its a long term stab at tomorrow with today's world view (which I think is another flaw). This wired article from a couple of years ago - 2005 - mentions the push to make a new internet which is phishing / spam / kiddie porn proof. The protocols could be made so they aren't stateless and do remember the page you came from instead of only seeing pages. In reality all this is currently running on 30 year old technology and eventually a lot of things will change. So in a way I kind of think HTML 5 shooting themselves in the foot in some rush to become the 'famous few who saved markup' is kind of humourous. What if Flash develops to the point it becomes a far superior platform (re: accessibility, security, ease of development and upgrade of content) over the next 5 - 10 years? I really don't know either but that's an example of how whatever happens in that timeframe won't be something easily imagined right now by ordinary old us. I think if people took on board the HTML 5 Apathetic Doctype tshirt idea and we saw them in the street more it MAY just get other non standards developers asking what's that about? Raise awareness. K I better study for this exam on Tuesday. Its about 2G / 3G / 4G technologies and some of the science and infrastructure behind it (don't tell anyone but its nauseating to review the slides)... Hi Matt
We could even drop the Apathetic part - it may offend some companies - and call it the HTML 5 Transgressional Doctype for developers who want to transgress the ideas of standards entirely BUT still want to validate and a tick of approval.

I can see another major part of this is increasing market share - more people with valid pages. Its kind of frustrating.

The only real consolation is that I would be highly surprised if, in the time frame they expect HTML 5 to be in full swing, we were still using the original technologies in place today. HTML may be irrelevant by then - people invent other stuff. So its a long term stab at tomorrow with today’s world view (which I think is another flaw).

This wired article from a couple of years ago - 2005 - mentions the push to make a new internet which is phishing / spam / kiddie porn proof. The protocols could be made so they aren’t stateless and do remember the page you came from instead of only seeing pages. In reality all this is currently running on 30 year old technology and eventually a lot of things will change.

So in a way I kind of think HTML 5 shooting themselves in the foot in some rush to become the ‘famous few who saved markup’ is kind of humourous. What if Flash develops to the point it becomes a far superior platform (re: accessibility, security, ease of development and upgrade of content) over the next 5 - 10 years? I really don’t know either but that’s an example of how whatever happens in that timeframe won’t be something easily imagined right now by ordinary old us.

I think if people took on board the HTML 5 Apathetic Doctype tshirt idea and we saw them in the street more it MAY just get other non standards developers asking what’s that about? Raise awareness.

K I better study for this exam on Tuesday. Its about 2G / 3G / 4G technologies and some of the science and infrastructure behind it (don’t tell anyone but its nauseating to review the slides)…

]]> By: Matt Robin http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/comment-page-1/#comment-54 Matt Robin Sun, 09 Sep 2007 00:29:44 +0000 http://stevenclark.com.au/2007/09/08/the-solution-is-a-html-5-apathetic-doctype/#comment-54 Hahaha....I have to laugh Steven, have to...not at you - but with you! As you can see with my comments on Roger's article - I think the HTML 5 spec is going from bad to worse...(to possibly irrelevant?)..within a short space of time. The 'alt' attribute and a whole bunch of other stuff in the spec are being dumbed down so much...it's quite odd - and certainly counter to everything Web Standards has been trying hard to educate people about. HTML 5 Apathetic Doctype.....hehehe. Would make a good t-shirt!! Hahaha….I have to laugh Steven, have to…not at you - but with you!

As you can see with my comments on Roger’s article - I think the HTML 5 spec is going from bad to worse…(to possibly irrelevant?)..within a short space of time. The ‘alt’ attribute and a whole bunch of other stuff in the spec are being dumbed down so much…it’s quite odd - and certainly counter to everything Web Standards has been trying hard to educate people about.

HTML 5 Apathetic Doctype…..hehehe. Would make a good t-shirt!!

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